- by Bilhan Koul
Dear Kashmiri Muslims,
I don�t know that how to address you but following in the best secular traditions & taken by a leaf out of Bellwood film I would say Salaam Namaste.
It seems that you have lodes of questions for Indians & more specifically for us Kashmiri Pandits. But I too have my usual dose of questions for you. Make no mistake about it I will begin with history because dispute in Kashmir is direct consequence of history & it is history, which has, make Kashmir Islamic. I have little problem Kashmiris following Islam. Was not ancient Kashmir Buddhist, Pagan, Naga & Brahamanical then why not Islamic you may say? My answer is Islam has become less of a religion & more a political one spawned by Arabs. In other words Islam has become imperial & is fast losing its identity as religion. This has led followers of Islam to believe that Kashmir is part of west Asia & not Indian subcontinent. If it sounds crude to you forgive me I do not have refiner language to express this sentiment. This is in the context of any no. of Kashmiri Muslims believing that India has no right on Kashmir. If it has no right on Kashmir then what right it has on
Himachal Pradesh. I suppose you have taken the cue. The separatist movement in Kashmir is communal. It is based on supposition that since Kashmiris are Islamic it has veto power for its separation from Indian subcontinent.
The second point which I wish to underscore is that most of Kashmiris are brothers & sisters of Kashmiri Pnndits. If your ancestor was forced to abondon your ties with me then how I am to blame. Blame ancestors of people like Syed Ali Shah Geelani. They were made to flee Central Asia & thought that Kashmir would be heaven only if Kashmiris converted & under the guise of Islamic equality foreigners like Geelani will become natives. Well done! At least I congratulate foreign Sayed Sufis who thought such a Ingenious method to rule over Kashmir. Now since you have converted, it is now imagined by you that conversion was peaceful. Now why are Kashmiri Pandits in 21st century not embracing Islam in droves? Why they left Kashmir in 1990 in order to preserve their identity but converted in 15th century? Because in 1990 there was opportunity to save both religion & skin were none existed in 15th century Kashmir. Elementary Sherlock Holmes would have screamed when given this logic!
But logic is deliberately confused in Kashmir lest converted Muslims become less comfortable. Some of your intellectuals do not get tired of telling that conversion was peaceful & gradual. Gradual then why father Xavier who visited Kashmir with Akbar tells us that valley population is almost all Muslim. Remember Akbar visited Kashmir only 200 years after Sultan Sikander�s frenzy unleashed on helpless Kashmiris. Some of you never get tired of telling that Islam spread through logic & reason but why valley people not get converted to Christianity when much of light & scientific achievements of present world is spread by European who are Christians.
Why Kashmiris got converted to Islam? Because Islam came as a conquering religion & Kashmiris stood no chance. Of course, you can say that distinction between Hindu & Muslims were not as fine as they are now. I have no problem with this argument But if you believe this argument seriously you will still find that you are losing the argument. That means these Kashmiri Pandits who resisted conversion or fled are to be put on higher pedestal because they were conscious of their identity and those who converted were not. That means those who converted you thought of you as stupid fellows who could be dictated terms.
I am also one of those who seriously believe that Identity crisis of the past has made some of you more zealots.
You cry that India is an occupying force in Kashmir but do nothing when it is presented to you that Islam is also foreign. You cry that Iraq & Afghanistan has been illegally occupied by America but fail to mention that Sayed Sufis were also foreigners who converted Kashmiris. If you say Sayed Spread light in Kashmir then I am entitled to say that America is spreading light in Iraq & Afghanistan. Make no mistake about it I sincerely believe that it is spreading light. Now see delicious Irony in all this.
Pandits who resisted conversion are the ones who criss cross the globe comfortably in America or in Europe. But those of you who converted through force are vary of foreign influence. Is it because the trauma of forced conversion still lingers & has got such a hold on your unconscious self that you misread India as a foreign country while as right through history India & Kashmir were twin sisters.
Before signing off, I have an interesting query for you. Your Historians say that Mughals were responsible for usurping freedom of Kashmir, but why not Sultans & more specifically why not Shah Mir. Is it because Shah Mir signifies to you Muslim conquest & hence introduction of Islam in Kashmir, the topic which you do not want to be discussed. In the end I wish that you ponder over my Questions with sincerity & honesty.
Thanks.
Your Sincerely
Bilhan Koul S/O Prof M.L.Koul
H. No. 64 Sec 2
Pamposh Colony
Janipur
Jammu
Dear Kashmiri Muslims,
I don�t know that how to address you but following in the best secular traditions & taken by a leaf out of Bellwood film I would say Salaam Namaste.
It seems that you have lodes of questions for Indians & more specifically for us Kashmiri Pandits. But I too have my usual dose of questions for you. Make no mistake about it I will begin with history because dispute in Kashmir is direct consequence of history & it is history, which has, make Kashmir Islamic. I have little problem Kashmiris following Islam. Was not ancient Kashmir Buddhist, Pagan, Naga & Brahamanical then why not Islamic you may say? My answer is Islam has become less of a religion & more a political one spawned by Arabs. In other words Islam has become imperial & is fast losing its identity as religion. This has led followers of Islam to believe that Kashmir is part of west Asia & not Indian subcontinent. If it sounds crude to you forgive me I do not have refiner language to express this sentiment. This is in the context of any no. of Kashmiri Muslims believing that India has no right on Kashmir. If it has no right on Kashmir then what right it has on
Himachal Pradesh. I suppose you have taken the cue. The separatist movement in Kashmir is communal. It is based on supposition that since Kashmiris are Islamic it has veto power for its separation from Indian subcontinent.
The second point which I wish to underscore is that most of Kashmiris are brothers & sisters of Kashmiri Pnndits. If your ancestor was forced to abondon your ties with me then how I am to blame. Blame ancestors of people like Syed Ali Shah Geelani. They were made to flee Central Asia & thought that Kashmir would be heaven only if Kashmiris converted & under the guise of Islamic equality foreigners like Geelani will become natives. Well done! At least I congratulate foreign Sayed Sufis who thought such a Ingenious method to rule over Kashmir. Now since you have converted, it is now imagined by you that conversion was peaceful. Now why are Kashmiri Pandits in 21st century not embracing Islam in droves? Why they left Kashmir in 1990 in order to preserve their identity but converted in 15th century? Because in 1990 there was opportunity to save both religion & skin were none existed in 15th century Kashmir. Elementary Sherlock Holmes would have screamed when given this logic!
But logic is deliberately confused in Kashmir lest converted Muslims become less comfortable. Some of your intellectuals do not get tired of telling that conversion was peaceful & gradual. Gradual then why father Xavier who visited Kashmir with Akbar tells us that valley population is almost all Muslim. Remember Akbar visited Kashmir only 200 years after Sultan Sikander�s frenzy unleashed on helpless Kashmiris. Some of you never get tired of telling that Islam spread through logic & reason but why valley people not get converted to Christianity when much of light & scientific achievements of present world is spread by European who are Christians.
Why Kashmiris got converted to Islam? Because Islam came as a conquering religion & Kashmiris stood no chance. Of course, you can say that distinction between Hindu & Muslims were not as fine as they are now. I have no problem with this argument But if you believe this argument seriously you will still find that you are losing the argument. That means these Kashmiri Pandits who resisted conversion or fled are to be put on higher pedestal because they were conscious of their identity and those who converted were not. That means those who converted you thought of you as stupid fellows who could be dictated terms.
I am also one of those who seriously believe that Identity crisis of the past has made some of you more zealots.
You cry that India is an occupying force in Kashmir but do nothing when it is presented to you that Islam is also foreign. You cry that Iraq & Afghanistan has been illegally occupied by America but fail to mention that Sayed Sufis were also foreigners who converted Kashmiris. If you say Sayed Spread light in Kashmir then I am entitled to say that America is spreading light in Iraq & Afghanistan. Make no mistake about it I sincerely believe that it is spreading light. Now see delicious Irony in all this.
Pandits who resisted conversion are the ones who criss cross the globe comfortably in America or in Europe. But those of you who converted through force are vary of foreign influence. Is it because the trauma of forced conversion still lingers & has got such a hold on your unconscious self that you misread India as a foreign country while as right through history India & Kashmir were twin sisters.
Before signing off, I have an interesting query for you. Your Historians say that Mughals were responsible for usurping freedom of Kashmir, but why not Sultans & more specifically why not Shah Mir. Is it because Shah Mir signifies to you Muslim conquest & hence introduction of Islam in Kashmir, the topic which you do not want to be discussed. In the end I wish that you ponder over my Questions with sincerity & honesty.
Thanks.
Your Sincerely
Bilhan Koul S/O Prof M.L.Koul
H. No. 64 Sec 2
Pamposh Colony
Janipur
Jammu
19 comments:
Dear Mr. Koul,
Its good to see we have people around who know how to put their point of view across and at the same time not sound offensive. You have raised some very interesting questions and I would try to answer some of those, and I'm convinced you would surely be left to ponder. Much like I have been forced to on reading your post.
You have started with the history of Kashmir and you believe the dispute is a direct consequence of history. I would surely like to agree but not exactly with the events you are linking the present conflict to. If you feel conversion to Islam is the root cause of the conflict, I think you are missing the wood for the trees. If the problem was so simple it would not have reached the stage where we're today.
Although you start with Kashmir imbroglio and the reasons, you suddenly have displayed the tendency to comment on Islam as to how it has become less of a religion and more a political front (Thanks, but I never knew). I would not agree at all with this assumption and neither with the assumption that Islam has become imperial. Can you name one country which has fallen to the imperialist designs (if there were any such designs). You may cite Iraq's invasion of Kuwait... well it was not done to spread Islam but for usurping the riches of the oil-rich nation.
You say Islam is losing its identity, Once again thank you so much for I never knew. What I knew was that Islam is the fastest spreading religion in the world - be it US (especially after 9/11) or Korea. I never knew an ideology which was diminishing in its appeal and at the same time growing at tremendous pace. I am sure you would like to check your facts now.
About your argument equating Himachal Pradesh with the valley I have nothing to say except the fact that I am really disappointed to find someone who is so keen on going back hundreds of years ago has conveniently forgotten the similarity does not exist at all. Kashmir always enjoyed an independent existence and only after 1947 has been a part of India (for good or bad, I dont know).
Your query as to why Kashmiri Pandits are not converting in droves, well we don't have a person of the stature of Sayyid Ali Hamadani with us. And the fact that you always have turned a blind eye to the reality. Tell me the last time any Pandit organisation condemned (even for publicity) the atrocities Kashmiri Muslims are bearing. And let me tell you our heart pains to see an innocent (be it a Muslim or Pandit) being killed at whosoever's hands.
Your argument of Pandits criss-crossing the globe and living in Europe or US doesn't hold any merit. For there are two reasons
1. They did not have the guts to stay and fight it out like ordinary Kashmiris (who face the bullet from either side) are. I am told there are nearly half a million troops there for a fistful of "aatankwaadis". Strange isn't it.
2. Though it counts for nothing but I am saying it for you only, I assume you have travelled far and wide and know there are countless number of Kashmiri Muslims as as well who are globe-trotters.
You are invited to drop your comments on my blog http://kasheer.wordpress.com as well
Lets first learn to agree to disagree.
Juz A Kashmiri
Dear Mr. Koul,
Please reply a simple questions:
1. If Kashmiri Muslims are 'pandits who converted to Islam under compulsion' , were we all born 'Pandits'? Can you cite a full history of pandits?
2. Your comments try to tarnish the image of Islamic Sufis, can you elaborate on the condition of kashmiris in that period when Brahmins like you were considering themselves Gods of the society?
3. As Muslims , don't we have right to live independently irrespective of whether we are converted muslims or not?
4. How do you say that 'India has a right over Kashmir'?
Dear Juz A Kashmiri,
I would like to interrupt u here. U said that Kashmiri Pandits does not have guts to fight....Fight for what...the so-called Jehad which only left wailing mothers, widows and orphans. And secondly u have stated that Kashmiri Pandits never condemned the attrocities on Kashmiri Muslims. U are absolutely wrong here. When this so-called Jehad started, were Pandits taken into confidence.No...They were unaware of the fact that they won't be staying in their homes and hearths in Valley. They were targetted for being mukbirs (informers) and then killed....Well, no doubt so many muslims were also killed. But they got killed since they wanted that so-called Azadi...for which they were fighting. And Pandits were unnecessarily targeted and finally they were openly asked to leave the valley by their own neighbourers with whom they shared every grief, happiness and everything for years together. So who's to blame..............
To Navcity,
If you read carefully after taking off your coloured glasses that the post is a reproduction of an author whose direct communication address is given...and not my own writing...
I am sure Mr Bilhen Koul will enlighten you properly... Please share your ignorance of history which believes that Islamic invasion of Kashmir was bloodless, with him and get some real knowledge if you care to...
I totally agree with Mr. Koul.As far as Juz a kashmiri and his friends concerned, they are just trying to make everyone beleive that Islam is the fastest spreading religion in U.S.However i have my doubts.I am sorry to state here that it is the buddhism which is the fastest growing religion of world.We all have heard of muslim rumours as we have spent some of our early years in kashmir.Muslims also beleive that neil armstrong had heard Azaan when he landed at moon and later converted to islam! anyway What is the logic behind spreading islam to world other than poltical motives.The fact is that Islam has annhilated every culture it had invaded or migrated to.Not only this muslim majority countries had always double standars while dealing with India.India has more muslims than pakistan and yet it is not a member of oic.Kashmiri muslims are playing a very dangerous and dirty game.For the sake of 50 lakh muslims of J&K, They are forgetting the rest 14 crore muslims of India.They should talk of independance only when rest of indian muslims support them.The fact remains that Rest of muslims that is 14 crore muslims does not support them and this was again confirmed by the recet meeting of muslim organisation and shcolars held at deoband.
Again Kashmiri sepratist leaders like geelani condemned the fatwa issued by Deoband as it was not suiting his objectives.Juz a Kashmiri should try to explain what does he mean when he has written abouts guts of Kashmiri pundits.if killing of innocent people is what guts means to juz a kashmiri, then yes kashmiri pundits don't have guts.If saving innocent lives is what guts mean then "yes" kashmiri pandits have lots and lots of guts.Kashmiri pandits beleive in the philosophy of"live and let live" and at the same time acheive objectives in totally non-voilent ways.
One can only laugh at the kashmiri pandits for their ignorance....seems like they have been reading history books published by hindu fanatic groups like RSS and Bajrang Dal. But anyways it would not serve any purpose, asking them to get their facts right because they are blinded by their prejudice against muslims. So lets just leave history and look at the present. It is 03/09/08 today and the recent massive protests in kashmir is a reminder to hindutva india that they along with their pandits, RSSs, Bajrang Dals, VHPs and BJPs and with their gun wielding goons and brutal troops cannot suppress the spirit of kashmiris. If the coward pandits left us while the sikhs did not on the behest of the then governor (Jagmohan----may he burn in hell) they should not blame others but look down their own souls and feel ashamed.
Azhar,
You have been brainwashed by islamic fundamentalists and mullahs teaching a 1500 year hate idealogy. Now before you tout "islam khatre mai hai" or lable me as kafir as I am questioning you, let me tell you clearly that islam is unhealthy at its core and may I say even dirty at its core. To call for killing of someone just because he is a kafir is stupid in today's world. It may be good for the deserts of arabia but it is unacceptable in our civilized land of abundance. The arabs had no option but to be barbaric because they had no resources. That is not the case with Indian subcontinent where nature has pletiful to offer.
Barring the discovery of oil in 1920's by european's arabs were literally beggars. And in another 30 years when oil is used up, their story of resourceless arabia will come to haunt them again.
How can you follow a person who married his own daughter ( even in those tribes dauther in law was considered a daughter before mumad jstified that with a verse).
And how can you follow someone who was a child rapist ( ayesha 6 yr old). Had you questioned Islam you would not be in the mess you are in and more importantly you would at peace with the world. But your darul islam will destroy you as the world will retaliate against your idiotic reasoning.
Azhar,
It seems you do not know what you are writing. Pandits and Buddhists beleived that peace can be achieved through nirvana and good karma. Yes pandits/buddhists were not prepared for islamic invasion as the senseless killings perpetuated by muslims could not be comprehended by these peaceful ideologies.
The last time pandits did the right thing to leave even though I beleive pandits should have understood islam and spoken the same language much earlier in the history. Past is past and today pandits and others know islam fully. The VHP's etc are natural response to islaic rabid communal radicals and that is why people are not having much tolerance for muslim senseless kilings all over the world not just in India.
In the recent past it was no point for pandits to stay in valley and be soft targets of terrorist muslims. The terrorists when they could not find pandits to go after, came after you. He who digs a pit for others himself falls into it.
I know your response already, if at all you choose to.
Mr. suharwardi; the root of all the troubles in kashmir is foreginers like you and Geelani , nakshbandis etc.God has been misused to convert poor defenceless kashmiris to foregin faith. It is ; as i have already said ,the only philosophical question in kashmir.Because people like suharwardis and others of his ilk are entitiled to be fanatic over islam as it is their religion, but poor kashmiri has been hijacked to foregin faith and that is at the root of troubles in kashmir.Of course foregin settlers are delighted that Arab gods have been made heroes in kashmir and Sayyid. Ali Hamdani made slave of kashmiris by naming them as ghulam nabi anf gh. mohd . What a shame .
Mr. suharwardi; the root of all the troubles in kashmir is foreginers like you and Geelani , nakshbandis etc.God has been misused to convert poor defenceless kashmiris to foregin faith. It is ; as i have already said ,the only philosophical question in kashmir.Because people like suharwardis and others of his ilk are entitiled to be fanatic over islam as it is their religion, but poor kashmiri has been hijacked to foregin faith and that is at the root of troubles in kashmir.Of course foregin settlers are delighted that Arab gods have been made heroes in kashmir and Sayyid. Ali Hamdani made slave of kashmiris by naming them as ghulam nabi anf gh. mohd . What a shame .
Solution to Kashmir: A Fresh Open Letter To Kashmiri Muslims.
By : Bilhan Kaul
As sun is beating down hard on the plains of India, I intend is keep heat on your head over Kashmir issue boiling. And to do that honest question will be put. Trust me on that score.
As you know militancy has been raging in Kashmir for past eighteen years and your straight question is India has illegally occupied Kashmir.
This is a dispute for you and for me as well. To break the logjam, we have to arrive at consensus. So that, states quo, which you desperately hate, is broken to pieces. Since Kashmiri Pandits are out of Kashmir, they will not get Panun Kashmir, if you do not get anything. By anything I mean break from Indian hold over Kashmir. I have come straight to the point ito give you glimpses what is coming next. Also to start is a tricky business, therefore, if we don’t get Panun Kashmir you will not get Islamic republic. Hence, I am desperate you get some thing which is break from the past so that Kashmiri Pandits get Panun Kashmir. But bigger question is whether you and I are honest. The contents of this piece will decide that however.
As most of you are bonafide citizen of Kashmir, I have a stake for you and me to be fulfilled so that we can proceed. The stake is we get out those Sayyids and other foreign stuff who have come to Kashmir earlier so that you have get Islamic republic and we the Pandits, Panun Kashmir. Of course you may say Sikhs have also settled in Kashmir from outside. Therefore get Sikhs out so that we get Panun Kashmir. Most of the shrines like mosque of Syed Hamdani are not of local people. Hence eject them out so that you get Islamic republic and we get Panun Kashmir.
But may be I am moving too fast. Therefore, let us settle down a bit.
If Indian forces kill somebody it is atrocity I am not disputing the same. But if they reach out to you then you cry they are trying to integrate Kashmiri Muslims forcibly much against their wishes. But why don’t you get those Sayyids and other foreign settlers who used and misused god as instrument for subjugation of Kashmiri’s. Sayids and others Central Asian stuff reached out to you and they are great. But if Indian Govt. reaches out to you it is cultural invasion. Hence if you don’t resolve the question we will not get Panun Kashmir. Because as already made plain to you we will get that if you get Islamic republic.
Before proceeding further this mad rush for settlement of dispute by the way is our date. We Kashmiri Pandits believe that date of dispute is 1st June 1340.But you belive that date of dispute is 1947. Conversely you may say date of dispute is base I would like to say it is top. But if you insist date of dispute is top I would say it is base.
This conflict partly arises from the angle in which you see the Kashmiri conflict. If for you it is 1947 we have legitimate right to get little earlier. That is to 1340, because you don’t get to the root of problem but only to the branch. Therefore I am duty bound to do just that, to go to the root of the problem.
As such if you look from the top you will get the base which I am referring to but if you look from the base of 1947 as the problem I am referring to top of 1340 as a date of the conflict. Now I hope you have got to the problem from the bottom of your heart. In my case I have understood it from top of my heart.
As a person who wears atheism on my sleeves, you have answer to make. Your culture was shattered six hundred and fifty years ago but you insist it was shattered by in India. Excuse me, whose land Kashmir is anyway? I have, however, sympathies with you. Because by day and by night man is not expected to be philosopher twenty four hours on trot. Multiply it by months and years and it is not possible. Therefore you have been conquered in fourteenth century and you want to settle there. I also understand that common man is ground to dust due to conflict in Kashmir. He converted to escape tyranny but is finding to his dismay that there are no benefits now. Hence by a logic of commonsense, which is common to many people, you tend to say why we converted. Hence we fathom that conversion is root cause of conflict in the valley. All other issues directly flow from it. History has shaped the present turmoil. Your DNA has carried the data that you have been forcibly converted. But now you are puzzled by the fact that how Brahmans remained Brahmans despite tyranny. Hence there is rage among the militants. Hence they want to restart the tyranny in order to prove that they too are humans, who did not remain immune to violence. As they also did not remain immune. If you doubt the logic then inspect the thought process of militant. He understands the logic better than others. He understands it at primitive level. You expect Islamists to win because you were defeated by it centuries ago. Hence you expect the same for Kashmiri pandits. In the past you have shown flexibility by accepting foreign faith. You have proved that you are not slaves to habit. Now once you changed your religion it is now impossible for you to leave the habit. Therefore, in order to prove, now as you have proved then change of faith is easy for you. Adopt religion like Buddism. It is a faith of your ancestors. Now it hardly makes sense if someone of your ancestors accepted Islam accepted Islam because of its alleged superiorty. But you have also to accept the fact that religion of your ancestors was pagan, Buddism, or Hindu. In others words, your ancestors entry to Islam heralds for you new world view and new customs and habit but those of your earlier customs is forgotten. What do you make of that? I am afraid that I have not elaborated the point with clarity. To depict what is in your head and to put to ink is difficult . Because many worlds are lost in between. Kashmir is place where history will not be forgotten. Like a fridge, which preserves vegetables Kashmir preserves past memories. That is why conversion issue is fresh in Kashmir, but not in plains of India. Because it seems that heat burns everything in plains of India. Therefore let us again come to the point If status quo remains and there is no solution according to your wishes we will find that we will not get Panun Kashmir. We will plead your case if you accede to our wishes. In case you have forgotten, I will freshen your memories.
Cut of date should be 1st june 1340 and get all Sayyids, Naksbandis, and Geelanis out of the valley. Remove everything connected with them. Also see to it that Punjabi Muslims are also ejected . This will reduce local Muslim population and Pandit population currently out of the valley. Divide Kashmir according to population ratio and loo and behold solution is in sight. I will bet Indian Govt. and world opinion will not overlook such attractive offer for you and me. Also you will prove to the world that you don’t suffer from selective amnesia. Solution, solution ,we are at it. Decide now and here for all times. Flood the market with your opinions.
I would like to inform the forum that before Shah-i-Hamadan left Kashmir he ordered the king to impose the following sanctions on Non-Muslims. I am enumerating them for your reading please.
1) The Hindus will not construct any new temples under the rule of Muslims.
2) They will not repair old temples fallen into ruins.
3) They will respect Muslims.
4) They will not dress like Muslims.
5) They will not ride a horse with saddle & bridle.
6) They will not put on a ring.
7) They will not carry swords or bows & arrows.
8) They will not adopt Muslim names.
9) They will not harbour spies or act as spies.
10) If any relation of theirs wants to embrace Islam, they will not oppose it.
11) If a Muslim comes to attend a Hindu meeting he will be respectfully received.
12) They will receive Muslim travelers into their houses & provide them hospitality.
13) They will not prevent Muslim travelers from staying in their temples & shrines.
14) They will not mourn their dead loudly.
15) They will not buy Muslim slaves.
16) They will not build houses in neighbourhood of Muslims.
17) They will not sell intoxicating drinks.
18) They will not carry their dead near the grave-yards of Muslims.
19) They will not openly practice their customs & usages among Muslims.
20) They will not give up their traditional dress so that they can be distinguished from Muslims.
In the end, the fiat in the form of an advice dictated if any Hindu dares to flout any of conditions, he should be first looted and then possession of his body is halal (Zakhiratul- Muluk).
(Source: Dr.Qayoom Rafiquee’s doctoral thesis titled" Sufism in Kashmir”) This should give everybody an idea of the kind of sufi's we got.
IF Arab population in kashmir have no intention of respecting local faith then why should kshmiri converts, brahmans in particular, be liked to call themselves people who have arab gods as their ideals.answer me my dear convert.
Your responses to my earlier comment are a clear example of the intolerance that lies at the core of brahminism. casteism,as such, is probably not the only major prob. with Brahminism. if you look closely at your religion, you would probably feel ashamed of it. And talking of origins, brahmins (read aryans) are not native to India either. these foreigners invaded India and found casteism to be the only way to rule the poor native people. any logic would dismiss the belief that one can be superior just because one is born a brahmin. Brahminism has given the world people, like the hitler....who believe in the Arayan supermacy....Nazism, was nothing but modern brahminism. hitler even used the "swastika" mark as a symbol to represent Nazism. Also there are many contradictions in your religion but mentioning them would hurt your feelings and Islam had taught me to respect all religions unlike brahminism.
(P.S: Killing an innocent human being whether a kafir or a muslim is like killing the whole of humanity....thts what the Quran tells us....the verse you quote is out of context....the preceeding verse talks about a peace treaty btween muslims and mushriks of makkah...the muskriks broke the peace treaty unilaterally and thus declared war on the muslims....the quran orders the muslims that in the battle field they should kill the mushriks whereever they find one.....this verse relates to the battle field and quoting it out of context shows the degree to which you can stoop, just to malign islam....the following verse also orders muslims to let go any mushrik who surrenders and not only let go but to escort the mushrik to a place of safety.....the next time you talk about islam please do a bit of research....and please do not insult our prophet or our religion......this is a request to your sense of decency...if you have any.
BILHAN KAUL SAID;; MR SUHARWARDI BETTER THINK BEFORE ANSWERING.I AM NO RELIGOUS MAN . NEITHER I BELIEVE RELIGION HAS DONE ANY GOOD .HOWEVER ,PAGAN RELIGION IS LOCAL TO THE PEOPLE OF KASHMIR .WHAT IS ARAB RELIGION DOING THERE . I RESPECT ARAB RELIGION OF ARAB PEOPLE BUT FOR KSAHNIRI PEOPLE IT IS IMPERALISM.I AM NOT IMPRESSED WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF KORAN.I AM TOO EXPERIENCED TO KNOW THAT RELIGION IS A MATTER OF PRIVATE BELIEF.IT IS NO SCIENCE. ANYBODY CAN PUNCTURE RELIGION USING SCIECNE AS THE ULITIMATE ACHIEVEMENT OF MANKIND. I LOVE SHAKESPEARE AND PICASSO AND THAT IS PROOF OF MY NOT BEING INTOLERANT. BUT I HAVE NOT CONVERTED TO CHRISTANITY.BUT ISLAM HAS BEEN THRUST UPON CONVERTED PEOPLE AND IT IS THE HISTORY OF ARABSAND THAT IS TRDEGDY OF WHOLE STORY. ATTACKING HINDUISM WONT HELP MATTERS.BECAUSE I AM COSMOPOLITAN. I AM COMFORTABLE WITH RELIGION OF MY ANCESTORS.. BUT THAT HAS NOT PREVENTED ME IN ADMIRING WESTERN CIVILISATOIN AND CURSING THAT WHAT HAD ISLAM TO DO IN KASHMIR.I SEE LOT OF ADMIRATION IN WESTERN CIVILISATION.HOWEVER WHY SHOULD I CRITICIZE RELIGION OF ARABS . I DO NOT CRITICIZE YOUR RELIGION ALSO BECAUSE SUHARWARDIS ARE OUTSIDERS . YOU ARE ENTITILED TO BE PROUD OF ISLAM BUT IAM SPEAKIG OF CONVERTS. THEY HAVE BEEN CONQURED TO SEE EVERYTHING GOOD IN ISLAM . I FEEL FOR THEM AND AM SORRY THAT OUR ANCESTORS COULD NOT PROTECT THEM. I ADMIRE IF KASHMIRI ADMIRES ISLAM ON ITS OWN MERIT AND NOT BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN FORCED TO DO SO.
Dear Bilhan Koul,
Your response to my comments is very confusing. It seems you are swaying between brahminism and atheisism.On one hand you say that you are not a religious man and on the other, you say that you feel comfortable with the religion of your ancestors,then you go on to say that science can anytime puncture religion....so that is a very confusing set of statements. Further,I too am a student of science and I do not see any contradiction between science and Islam.Science can only explain the 'HOW' of things not the 'WHY', and it is very limited in its scope.As for the western culture that you have come to admire so much....it has given the world nothing but chaos, confusion and immorality. If stripping the woman naked in the name of modernism is progress, then I opt out of it.If degrading man to the level of apes and monkeys is science, then I opt out of it (just for your knowledge I might add that darwinism and evolution have no factual scientific proof whatsoever...these were adopted and encouraged by the communists and the west because it supported materialism).If throwing your old and weak parents into old age homes is progress, then too I opt out of it. People who do not want to ponder over the absolute reality find their escape in concepts like materialism, darwinism,and atheism. As humans we are capable of much more, but then,do we have the spiritual strength to go beyond the apparent and into the unknown....that is a question we all need to ask ourselves.
(PS:Once again someone has forwarded the insults to Islam and the beloved Prophet (Sallalahu Alyhi Wasallam)....thanx for ignoring my requests for decency....so much for brahmin tolerance....so much for brahmin secularism)
BILHAN KAUL SAID;; WELL,MR SUHARWARDI,AT THE OUTSET I WOULD LIKE TO CONVEY IT IS NOT IMPORTANT TO ANSWER EVERYTHING AND IT IS NOT INCUMBENT ON ME TO EXPLAIN EVERYTHING,BUT SINCE I RECKON MUSLIM OF CONVERTED VARIETY HAVE BEEN DELIBRATELY KEPT AWAY FROM MODERNISM BY SUHARWADIS AND GEELANIS, IAM OBLIGED TO ANSWER. IT IS A OLD TRICK TO POSE MORAL DILEMMAS OF HUMANS SO THAT YOU CAN JUSTIFY TYRANNY.THERE IS A FREE WILL ALSO WHERE YOU CAN CHOOSE FROM GOOD TO BAD.THOSE WHO PREACH MORALS TO OTHERS ARE NOT NECCASSARILY THEMSELVES VIRTUOUS.I AM NOT GOING TO TELL YOU THE OPPRESSION THAT MUSLIM WOMEN FACES IN THE ARAB WORLD. BECCAUSE LIST IS LONG AND IT MEANS ALSO RUNNING FROM REALITY.IF MAN HAS RIGHT TO BEAR BODY WHY NOT WOMAN. BECAUSE MUSLIMS WANT USE WOMEN AS CHATTELS.BUT I AM NOT COMMENTING ON ARAB WORLD, IT IS NOT MY DOMAIN BUT KASHMIRIS HAVE BEEN MADE STUPID IN THE NAME OF ISLAM. AND I WAGER MY HOUSE THAT KASHMIRI HINDUS OF YORE HAD GREATER ACHIEVEMENTS THAN ARABS OF ARABIA.BUT EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD FROM CALCULUS TO PLASTIC SURGERY TO DEMOCRACY TO LAWS OF MOTION TO ABOLITION OF CHOLERA IN KASHMIR HAS BBEN DONE BY EUROPEANS. REMEMBER IT. ALSO KEEP IN MIND YOU ARE FACING AN FORMIDABLE OPPONENT AND KEEP IT IN MIND WHILE REPLYING.
Azhar,
You have been brainwashed by islamic fundamentalists and mullahs teaching a 1500 year hate idealogy. Now before you tout "islam khatre mai hai" or lable me as kafir as I am questioning you, let me tell you clearly that islam is unhealthy at its core and may I say even dirty at its core. To call for killing of someone just because he is a kafir is stupid in today's world. It may be good for the deserts of arabia but it is unacceptable in our civilized land of abundance. The arabs had no option but to be barbaric because they had no resources. That is not the case with Indian subcontinent where nature has pletiful to offer.
Barring the discovery of oil in 1920's by european's arabs were literally beggars. And in another 30 years when oil is used up, their story of resourceless arabia will come to haunt them again.
How can you follow a person who married his own daughter ( even in those tribes dauther in law was considered a daughter before mumad jstified that with a verse).
And how can you follow someone who was a child rapist ( ayesha 6 yr old). Had you questioned Islam you would not be in the mess you are in and more importantly you would at peace with the world. But your darul islam will destroy you as the world will retaliate against your idiotic reasoning.
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) - Untainted and Pure
"After the fall of Mecca, more than one million square miles of land lay at his feet. Lord of Arabia, he mended his own shoes and coarse woolen garments, milked the goats, swept the earth, kindled the fire and attended the other menial offices of the family. The entire town of Medina where he lived grew in wealth in the later days of his life. Everywhere there was gold and silver in plenty and yet in those days of prosperity many weeks would elapse without a fire being kindled in the hearth of the king of Arabia; his food being dates and water. His family would go hungry many nights successively because they could not get anything to eat in the evening. He slept on no soft bed but on a palm mat, after a long busy day to spend most of his night in prayer, often bursting into tears before his Creator to grant him strength to discharge his duties. As the reports go, his voice would get choked with weeping and it would appear as if a cooking pot was on fire and boiling had commenced. On the very day of his death his only assets were few coins a part of which went to satisfy a debt and rest was given to a needy person who came to his house for charity. The clothes in which he breathed his last breath had many patches. The house from where light had spread to the world was in darkness because there was no oil in the lamp. Circumstance changed, but the Prophet of God did not. In victory or in defeat, in power or in adversity, in affluence or in indigence, he is the same man, disclosed the same character. Like all the ways and laws of God, Prophets of God are unchangeable."
Professor Ramakrishna Rao, "Islam and Modern Age"
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